Flat left, bent right

[MizunoJoe]

I have to disagree with the above statements that in a Swing, the straightening of the Right Arm uncocks the Left Wrist. In a pure Swing, the Law of the Flail uncocks the Left Wrist and the inactive, tension-free Right Arm, which goes along for the ride, straightens as a result.

[tradekid]

Would it be incorrect to phrase it this way.

Backswing: As long as the right wrist bends back, it is the bending of the right elbow which creates the left wrist cock.

Downswing: It is the sequenced release of the swing, by way of centifugal force, which creates the uncocking of the left wrist.

At NO time should you be thinking "I cock here and uncock here."

[Bagger Lance]

For swingers, you have a choice. As MJ says, CF will uncock the left wrist automatically. But you can intentionally uncock. The nice thing about TGM is you have choices. The main thing is the swinger sequences the downstroke so you uncock first, then roll. You can vary how and where this occurs in the downstroke.

Bagger

[Yoda]

When htting or swinging does Yoda vary his hinge between angled and horizontal?

Yes, mb6606.

When Swinging, I use Horizontal Hinge Action (Flat Left Wrist remains Vertical to the Horizontal Plane through Impact); and when Hitting, I use Angled Hinge Action (Left Wrist remains Vertical to the Inclined Plane through Impact). In the beginning, I trained myself to execute each Hinge Action (2-G) perfectly. First without a Club; then with a Club but without a Ball; and finally, with a Ball, at first in Short Shots, and later, in Full Shots.

I was always a Swinger until I consciously learned to Hit. As a consequence, I had the Swinger's Backstroke with its Start Up Swivel and its End Top; and its Downstroke characterized by Drag Loading, Sequenced Release and Horizontal Hinge Action. When learning to Hit, I had to substitute the approriate Variations:

1. For Standard Wrist Action (with its Start Up Swivel): Angled Hinge Action (10-18-C-2).

2. For an End Top: Straight Line (10-23-A).

3. For Drag Loading: Drive Loading (10-19-A).

4. For Sequenced Release: Simultaneous Release (4-D-0).

5. For Horizontal Hinge Action: Angled Hinge Action (10-10-C).

But today, after assimilating these necessary Mechanical differences, I simply tell my Hands that, on this particular Stroke, we are going to Throw-Out (Left Side Centrifugal Force Drives). Or, on that particular Stroke, we are going to Drive-Out (Right Side Muscular Thrust Drives). Those instructions delivered, the Computer does the rest: The Stroke becomes the automatic execution of a procedure (Chapter 14) in compliance with the Basic Stroke Pattern of either 12-1-0 or 12-2-0 (as modified for the Shot at hand).

We are indeed "fearfully and wonderfully made."

[300Drive]

JohnT,


..........The rolling will happen automatically as centrifigal force begins to act on the clubhead. You don't have to try and manipulate your hands for this to happen.....


Bagger

How on earth does the roll happen automatically? I have yet to have this happen with me! I have to make it roll....

I am sure I could use some help here....what should I try to do to get to "automatic"?

[Bagger Lance]

300,

This is a trick question right??? I've been around the block and read your posts in other forums...

Horizontal hinging is the natural full roll hinge action for a swinger. To let it happen, it requires a mandatory flat left wrist into and through impact all the way into follow through (both arms straight).

In the backswing, you will turn the left hand palm to the plane, and on the downswing you will feel a left hand karate chop motion back down the plane. You will feel your left wrist uncock at your release point (when the clubhead and butt of the club switch ends), and without any effort on your part, then next thing you will feel is the the sweet spot of the clubface and the right hand paddlewheel motion rolling your left hand into impact.

Clubs are designed to roll around the sweetspot. This is sensed through the #3 pressure point and the right hand is simply executing it's paddlewheel motion as the right arm straightens. Let me emphasize here, the right hand is passive. This is all just a consequence of the right arm straightening as the club nears impact. Let it continue it's roll into the finish swivel. If you have kept your left wrist flat through all of this, you will find your left hand palm facing up as the left arm collapses into the finish.

All of this requires that there is never any thrusting or pushing of the right arm, only right arm extensor action on the left arm. The wrists stay relatively loose. Otherwise you end up fighting an angled hinge and then you will have to force the roll. The role of the right wrist is to remain bent, level, and passive. The role of the #3 pressure point on your right index finger is to aim the sweet spot at the inside quadrant of ball and sense acceleration.

One more thing while I'm on the subject. The left hand is the clubface. Monitor it's position throughout the swing.

Hope that helps, if you are still having difficulty letting it go, let us know. I'll bring in the big guns...

Bagger

[jim_0068]

How on earth does the roll happen automatically? I have yet to have this happen with me! I have to make it roll....

I am sure I could use some help here....what should I try to do to get to "automatic"?

This is the hardest part of the swing, you have to learn a flat left wrist and just let the force do it for you. If you are finding yourself forcing the roll you probably have some throwaway and and a bent left wrist somewhere.

Brian got me out of this problem by teaching me to keep that left wrist flat from the takeaway all the way to the FINISH! I trained with the tac-tic to learn this.

Once i learned to trust it it wasn't a problem.

[yekim79]

All of this requires that there is never any thrusting or pushing of the right arm, only right arm extensor action on the left arm.


Bagger[/quote]

wouldn't this extensor action be a slight pushing or thrusting with the right arm?
i find this a little confusing. a hitter's motion is to apply pressure to the base of the left thumb, by driving or thrusting the straightening right arm into the ball. in my thinking, extensor action in swinging is this same motion, albeit with much less force.
shouldn't CF take care of keeping the left arm straight while swinging? if i apply extensor action while swinging, i'm not really allowing the right arm to just "go along for the ride" am I ?
thanks, mike.

[lagster]

All of this requires that there is never any thrusting or pushing of the right arm, only right arm extensor action on the left arm.


Bagger

wouldn't this extensor action be a slight pushing or thrusting with the right arm?
i find this a little confusing. a hitter's motion is to apply pressure to the base of the left thumb, by driving or thrusting the straightening right arm into the ball. in my thinking, extensor action in swinging is this same motion, albeit with much less force.
shouldn't CF take care of keeping the left arm straight while swinging? if i apply extensor action while swinging, i'm not really allowing the right arm to just "go along for the ride" am I ?
thanks, mike.[/quote]

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This is a good topic!

yekim79 has some good questions. I'm pretty sure there was considerable discussion on this in a thread dealing with Extensor Action. I believe Mizuno Joe has a similar opinion concerning Extensor Action and Pure Swinging.

In Swinging the Right Elbow should stay inactive. I believe that Swingers are usually feeling, thinking about, or monitoring the LEFT HAND or LEFT WRIST. If a SWINGER is employing EXTENSOR ACTION in such a way as to activate the RIGHT ELBOW(6-H-O and 7-20) problems with SWINGING may occur.

I also think Bagger has made some very good posts in this section. With SWINGING, on the downswing, centrifugal force will automatically do many good things, if they are allowed to happen.

[yekim79]

Bagger[/quote]

bagger, you don't need to respond to my above post. i've read a post of your's under the thread title of "any swingers left- snap release" you did a very good job of answering this very question over in that thread.
i guess the answer is for me to slow the swing down enough to determine how much extensor action can or should be applied which will not overcome the CF. i guess like anything else it will get easier over time and with practise, but it's hard to apply any extensor action at all right now without feeling like i'm casting the club, and exerting a "straightening force" on the shaft. in my very amateur TGM opinion, i think part of this feeling is due to not allowing the left forearm and hand to freely roll through and past impact. i think that i still slightly try to keep the clubface square to the target line through impact, and "steer" the ball to the target. this alone probably causes, or at least gives me the feeling that i am casting early while applying any amount of extensor action.
.................or, it's quite possible that i really don't have a clue what i'm talking about