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Old 05-11-2011, 02:33 PM
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Im thinking you are correct. Lets get out for a round soon Ben....
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Old 05-12-2011, 12:46 AM
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good point, although I do see Stricker (based on Wayne DeFransesco's analysis) sit down and he does set up w/ his rt forearm on plane. Unsure about Brian G. He does make a move where he springs up with his legs through impact though. Ive heard this is a power creating move.
The squat is a move that enables you to lead with the hips for a long time and clear them aggressively. More important for swingers than for hitters I think.

I've been working on it because I want to figure out what I can do to delay the release. I look pathetic at impact but I feel like I can really step on the gas through the ball. I have been at two different launch monitors lately and the smash factor was excellent. Which means that I got a lot out of the somewhat limited clubhead speed that I produced. But with this pattern I am forced to start the release earlier than I'd like to so I want to try to save accumulator #2 a bit longer and find out if it pays off.

It would be a gross overstatement to say that I've figured it all out yet, but it seems like the squat enables you to lead with the hip and clear them early - like Snead or Hogan did. But to benefit from it you need to delay the shoulder turn. In other words keep the "x-factor" for very late in the down stroke. Clear the hips as early as possible but turn the shoulders as late as possible, basically.

It seems to me like the combination of squat, early hips and late shoulders makes it a lot easier to delay the release of all accumulators, basically.

Brian G is a hitter, and as far as I can see from the four videos that google gave me he doesn't squat and he doesn't clear the hips very well. He basically has zero lag between his hips and shoulders at impact and his feet are very passive. It looks powerless compared to a Hogan or a Snead - or a Rory or a Dustin for that matter. But since we know that Brian is a hitter we can assume that there is more force behind impact than meets the eye. And his impact efficiency (smash factor etc) is actually pretty decent.

Brian's release starts early. He isn't even close to delaying his release with the best of them. I bet this costs him a few mph in clubhead speed. But probably not as much as one might think since he is a hitter.
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Old 05-12-2011, 12:57 AM
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Lets get out for a round soon Ben....
Little league, weddings, and some family stuff has been keeping me busier than I'd like, but I'd love to get out. PM or email me and we'll set it up.
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Old 05-12-2011, 08:25 AM
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The squat is a move that enables you to lead with the hips for a long time and clear them aggressively. More important for swingers than for hitters I think.

I've been working on it because I want to figure out what I can do to delay the release. I look pathetic at impact but I feel like I can really step on the gas through the ball. I have been at two different launch monitors lately and the smash factor was excellent. Which means that I got a lot out of the somewhat limited clubhead speed that I produced. But with this pattern I am forced to start the release earlier than I'd like to so I want to try to save accumulator #2 a bit longer and find out if it pays off.

It would be a gross overstatement to say that I've figured it all out yet, but it seems like the squat enables you to lead with the hip and clear them early - like Snead or Hogan did. But to benefit from it you need to delay the shoulder turn. In other words keep the "x-factor" for very late in the down stroke. Clear the hips as early as possible but turn the shoulders as late as possible, basically.

It seems to me like the combination of squat, early hips and late shoulders makes it a lot easier to delay the release of all accumulators, basically.

Brian G is a hitter, and as far as I can see from the four videos that google gave me he doesn't squat and he doesn't clear the hips very well. He basically has zero lag between his hips and shoulders at impact and his feet are very passive. It looks powerless compared to a Hogan or a Snead - or a Rory or a Dustin for that matter. But since we know that Brian is a hitter we can assume that there is more force behind impact than meets the eye. And his impact efficiency (smash factor etc) is actually pretty decent.

Brian's release starts early. He isn't even close to delaying his release with the best of them. I bet this costs him a few mph in clubhead speed. But probably not as much as one might think since he is a hitter.
Why would you want to "delay" accumulators? Is there a mechanical advantage to delaying? How do you do it? If one delays accumulators when does one begin to release them?
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Old 05-12-2011, 09:34 AM
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For the same reason as you would want a snap release.

If you've got the strength to back it up you can swing harder through the ball that way. Like switching to a higher gear I guess. Perhaps everybody can swing harder that way.
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Old 05-12-2011, 09:52 AM
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For the same reason as you would want a snap release.

If you've got the strength to back it up you can swing harder through the ball that way. Like switching to a higher gear I guess. Perhaps everybody can swing harder that way.
Do you have to be strong to have a snap release?
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Old 05-12-2011, 10:28 AM
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Little league, weddings, and some family stuff has been keeping me busier than I'd like, but I'd love to get out. PM or email me and we'll set it up.
will do...
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Old 05-12-2011, 10:56 AM
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Do you have to be strong to have a snap release?
I don't know, Bucket. But perhaps you will benefit more from it if you're strong. The club gets a lot "heavier" when the pulley gets smaller. Maybe we should check whether Tiger used a snap release when he was 5?
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Old 05-12-2011, 10:59 AM
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It seems to me like the combination of squat, early hips and late shoulders makes it a lot easier to delay the release of all accumulators, basically.
this is what I noticed a huge majority of the pro's doing. Some had more open hips than others but most definately lowered them selves, using the ground for leverage on the DS.



While Im just a mere mortal and want as few plane shifts as possible (see Brian G.) I do love this guys swing...
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Old 05-12-2011, 03:58 PM
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I just had a lesson with Ben Doyle Monday. We spent a good amount of time working on "sitting and tilting" during the downswing.
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