I'm envisioning Mr. Orr's great video the walrus and the indian. I would love to hear more as well. It sounds to me as though we need someone with Patrick's teachers passion and knowledge to join us here. He would be a great addition!
Kevin
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I could be wrong. I have been before, and will be again.
Yup RFT , "Fanning and Bending", "Walrus and Indian", its in Alignment Golf 1 as "the Indian chiefs HOW" or something similar. "Right Forearm PIckup".
Its the Hands that travel the Plane, which given different amounts of Shoulder turn from Basic Motion to Total Motion requires different Right Forearm motions. See the Major and Minor Basic Strokes 10-3. It sounds complicated but it isnt...........our Hand/eye ability is profound, we do similar things all the time , every day. We Hands to Pivot our way around in this world of ours, without thinking about it.
Go to Top (not End) , return your Shoulders to their Address position without allowing the Hands to drop................look at where the Hands are in relation to where they were at Address. You have isolated the Hand's travel. It isnt as big as you might think. Its a little Right Forearm Fanning and a little Bending Up, in some combination or other. It could be Fanning and then Bending or it could be both at the same time.........up to you and your Plane Angle , Plane Shifting "needs".
Putting on the other hand, with little or no Shoulder Turn would have a much simpler Right Arm motion. Pure Fanning. Either way the Hands travel an Inclined Plane. The Right Arm is attached to the Right Shoulder, any movement of the Right Shoulder affects the Right Arm.
Its this maintenance of the Hands to the desired Plane Angle via a RFT and Tracing that separates a pure Shoulder Turn Takeaway (where the Hands follow along to where the Pivot directs them, always under plane), "Pivot to Hands" from "Hands to Pivot".
You can start your Shoulders turning and RFT at the same time in Startup, if you wish ( I dont personally) and still be Hands to Pivot! If you're on plane , you're good! Its not "Hands then Pivot" its "Hands controlled Pivot" or "Hands to Pivot".
Me personally I feel like my Right Hip turns back then I RFT with my Right Elbow bending right off the get go, Fanning, Tracing etc. Not so much a feel of my Shoulders turning ......that gets me into my old , rock the two straight arms takeaway.......a geometric disaster, Angled Hinging, outside the plane, #2 Angle blocker, no Magic. NO RIGHT ARM BENDING! Now, I feel like my Right Arm pulls my string like Left Arm which tugs my left shoulder around........maybe its just a feel. I dunno. I really suffered with that Push the Triangle away with two stiff arms thing.
Bending the Right Elbow was the second thing Yoda taught me, right after we got the Right Forearm on plane at Address. It was about lunch time on our first day and he said "You know , we could stop right now and you'd probably achieve your goals in golf with just these things". Brain Gay says much the same thing in his Premium Video on this site. Its a must see actually for anyone interested in TGM. Brilliant and affordable. An hour or so filled with insights of all kinds.
You know the drill where you grab your front wrist and pull your front arm up? We did interlaced fingers and it was very instructive. It blends shoulder move into RFT for me. Less confusing.
Pat
Originally Posted by O.B.Left
Yup RFT , "Fanning and Bending", "Walrus and Indian", its in Alignment Golf 1 as "the Indian chiefs HOW" or something similar. "Right Forearm PIckup".
Its the Hands that travel the Plane, which given different amounts of Shoulder turn from Basic Motion to Total Motion requires different Right Forearm motions. See the Major and Minor Basic Strokes 10-3. It sounds complicated but it isnt...........our Hand/eye ability is profound, we do similar things all the time , every day. We Hands to Pivot our way around in this world of ours, without thinking about it.
Go to Top (not End) , return your Shoulder to their Address position without allowing the Hands to drop................look at where the Hands are in relation to where they were at Address. You have isolated the Hand's travel. It isnt as big as you might think. Its a little Right Forearm Fanning and a little Bending Up, in some combination or other. It could be Fanning and then Bending or it could be both at the same time.........up to you and your Plane Angle , Plane Shifting "needs".
Its this maintenance of the Hands to the desired Plane Angle via a RFT and Tracing that separates a pure Shoulder Turn Takeaway (where the Hands follow along to where the Pivot directs them, always under plane), "Pivot to Hands" from "Hands to Pivot".
You can start your Shoulders turning and RFT at the same time in Startup, if you wish ( I dont personally) and still be Hands to Pivot! If you're on plane , you're good! Its not "Hands then Pivot" its "Hands controlled Pivot" or "Hands to Pivot".
Me personally I feel like my Right Hip turns back then I RFT with my Right Elbow bending right off the get go, Fanning, Tracing etc. Not so much a feel of my Shoulders turning ......that gets me into my old , rock the two straight arms takeaway.......a geometric disaster, Angled Hinging, outside the plane, #2 Angle blocker, no Magic. NO RIGHT ARM BENDING! I feel like my Right Arm pulls my string like Left Arm which tugs my left shoulder ........maybe its just a feel. I dunno.
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
ts the Hands that travel the Plane, which given different amounts of Shoulder turn from Basic Motion to Total Motion requires different Right Forearm motions. See the Major and Minor Basic Strokes 10-3. It sounds complicated but it isnt...........our Hand/eye ability is profound, we do similar things all the time , every day. We Hands to Pivot our way around in this world of ours, without thinking about it.
Go to Top (not End) , return your Shoulder to their Address position without allowing the Hands to drop................look at where the Hands are in relation to where they were at Address. You have isolated the Hand's travel. It isnt as big as you might think. Its a little Right Forearm Fanning and a little Bending Up, in some combination or other. It could be Fanning and then Bending or it could be both at the same time.........up to you and your Plane Angle , Plane Shifting "needs".
Its this maintenance of the Hands to the desired Plane Angle via a RFT and Tracing that separates a pure Shoulder Turn Takeaway (where the Hands follow along to where the Pivot directs them, always under plane), "Pivot to Hands" from "Hands to Pivot".
Hi everyone! School has been crazy here, with a feckless admin. hiding in their offices while the teachers maintain control of the classrooms. Anyway, I am so pleased with the excellent spirit and detailed knowledge you all share so generously! Awesome!
The right hand pickup to the shoulder is truly effective and easy. It's practice brings to mind several other questions I hope will help me and many others.
1) RFT can be done from standard address or impact fix.
2) What factors determine your address position in your total motion as a golfer in our system?
3) I have looked at so many Yoda videos that I do impact fix in my sleep and have to fight not to do it.I am firing down on pp#1 with my right arm after I plant the left foot or brace it trying to keep my plane intact at all costs. (My home course is a par 71 and my hcp index is now 18.1 I started at 21 this year.) Impact fix helps me visualize Kevin's inclined table. But OB, Jerry and Daryl were nice enough to point out important hinge issues, arm issues, un-cocking issues and crossline considerations. All these concerns have me imagining a beautiful mahogony table even harder! LMAO : ) I don't want to get lost and go back to the 21 hcp index! BUT MAYBE I CAN TWEAK SOMETHING TO DROP ANOTHER 6 STROKES OFF MY INDEX IN TWO WEEKS. Maybe if I become a better "impact fixer" or switch to standard address, I can see the heavens open and Jesus (not one of my kids in first period) putting a towel on my head as he smiles!
Pat
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
Last edited by innercityteacher : 06-03-2010 at 11:40 AM.
City,
I hope to find some time today to put a towel on my head and RFT with pp1-3 to China!
Kev pointed out something to me today he found in Yoda's sequence where the trademark of his glove is just before, into and after impact. Just a little more gold.
I am actually playing 18 holes with the team today so I will have to exhibit what I preach. That ain't gonna be easy.
I finally did it or "How impact fix led me back to the Promised Land!"
Originally Posted by O.B.Left
Yup RFT , "Fanning and Bending", "Walrus and Indian", its in Alignment Golf 1 as "the Indian chiefs HOW" or something similar. "Right Forearm PIckup".
Its the Hands that travel the Plane, which given different amounts of Shoulder turn from Basic Motion to Total Motion requires different Right Forearm motions. See the Major and Minor Basic Strokes 10-3. It sounds complicated but it isnt...........our Hand/eye ability is profound, we do similar things all the time , every day. We Hands to Pivot our way around in this world of ours, without thinking about it.
Go to Top (not End) , return your Shoulders to their Address position without allowing the Hands to drop................look at where the Hands are in relation to where they were at Address. You have isolated the Hand's travel. It isnt as big as you might think. Its a little Right Forearm Fanning and a little Bending Up, in some combination or other. It could be Fanning and then Bending or it could be both at the same time.........up to you and your Plane Angle , Plane Shifting "needs".
Putting on the other hand, with little or no Shoulder Turn would have a much simpler Right Arm motion. Pure Fanning. Either way the Hands travel an Inclined Plane. The Right Arm is attached to the Right Shoulder, any movement of the Right Shoulder affects the Right Arm.
Its this maintenance of the Hands to the desired Plane Angle via a RFT and Tracing that separates a pure Shoulder Turn Takeaway (where the Hands follow along to where the Pivot directs them, always under plane), "Pivot to Hands" from "Hands to Pivot".
You can start your Shoulders turning and RFT at the same time in Startup, if you wish ( I dont personally) and still be Hands to Pivot! If you're on plane , you're good! Its not "Hands then Pivot" its "Hands controlled Pivot" or "Hands to Pivot".
Me personally I feel like my Right Hip turns back then I RFT with my Right Elbow bending right off the get go, Fanning, Tracing etc. Not so much a feel of my Shoulders turning ......that gets me into my old , rock the two straight arms takeaway.......a geometric disaster, Angled Hinging, outside the plane, #2 Angle blocker, no Magic. NO RIGHT ARM BENDING! Now, I feel like my Right Arm pulls my string like Left Arm which tugs my left shoulder around........maybe its just a feel. I dunno. I really suffered with that Push the Triangle away with two stiff arms thing.
Bending the Right Elbow was the second thing Yoda taught me, right after we got the Right Forearm on plane at Address. It was about lunch time on our first day and he said "You know , we could stop right now and you'd probably achieve your goals in golf with just these things". Brain Gay says much the same thing in his Premium Video on this site. Its a must see actually for anyone interested in TGM. Brilliant and affordable. An hour or so filled with insights of all kinds.
I FINALLY DID IT!
I have overloaded my pea-size brain with so many TGM concepts and lessons that I got lost, yesterday, with a club in my hand.
My opening nine holes was so bad, yesterday, my reg. foursome started asking me if my artificial hip was giving me any pain. On a tract that has yielded as low as a 43 for me weeks ago, I shot a 54.
My hip didn't hurt, my brain did! I necked a few drives which I never do, yanked a few irons out which I never do and was finally forced to punching everything with an angled hinge to stay near the fairway and somewhere near the greens.
AND I NOTICED SOMETHING ON MY LAST PUNCH SHOT AFTER 52 STROKES, UGH! I REMEMBERED THAT I HAVE BEEN HITTING FROM IMPACT FIX SINCE MARCH OF THIS YEAR and I simply forgot to park my wedges at my left foot! 5,6,4,6,4,5,4,5,5 = 43 on a par 36.
I felt so lost that I'm feeling closer to my friends here on the forum that are BlackHawks or Maple Leafs fans.
What I can't understand is how such fine people, and much stronger golfers than I am, can be so deluded in their choice of hockey teams.
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
Last edited by innercityteacher : 06-06-2010 at 08:49 PM.
O.B.Left;73036]Yup RFT , "Fanning and Bending", "Walrus and Indian", its in Alignment Golf 1 as "the Indian chiefs HOW" or something similar. "Right Forearm PIckup".
Before diving in to this, let me apologize for using a really strong word carelessly, in describing some people's support of their hockey teams. I poorly chose to use the word "stupid" saying more about my temperment and lack of sleep then I should have. It was wrong and I apologize to the very nice people who have been so generous with their time in snswering all my "stupid" questions.
I remember listening to the radio with my dad when the Hawks won in 1961. I was almost 4 and I remember being so happy. After the
'69 Cubs and countless Hawks teams, I learned to appreciate my adopted home of Philadelphia excepting the Bears and Bulls who both won championships on days of the birth of my children.
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Go to Top (not End) , return your Shoulders to their Address position without allowing the Hands to drop................look at where the Hands are in relation to where they were at Address. You have isolated the Hand's travel. It isnt as big as you might think. Its a little Right Forearm Fanning and a little Bending Up, in some combination or other. It could be Fanning and then Bending or it could be both at the same time.........up to you and your Plane Angle , Plane Shifting "needs".
I communicate with little people all day and I'm pretty effective. What is amazing to me is how effectively you all communicate to me using the almost exactly the same language as John Savage my GSEB who has mentioned how Ben Doyle has influenced him so greatly.
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Its this maintenance of the Hands to the desired Plane Angle via a RFT and Tracing that separates a pure Shoulder Turn Takeaway (where the Hands follow along to where the Pivot directs them, always under plane), "Pivot to Hands" from "Hands to Pivot".
My GSEB has worked hard to get me to turn back with the RFT and/or the slight move of the sternum or tracing the baseline of the plane to keep the primary lever more in front of my body. A pure shoulder turn makes me get lost coming back down and invites many silly compensations sapping energy and distance.
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You can start your Shoulders turning and RFT at the same time in Startup, if you wish ( I dont personally) and still be Hands to Pivot! If you're on plane , you're good! Its not "Hands then Pivot" its "Hands controlled Pivot" or "Hands to Pivot
If I don't start from impact fix with shoulders leading RFT, I'll shoot a 98 as I proved on Saturday.
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Me personally I feel like my Right Hip turns back then I RFT with my Right Elbow bending right off the get go, Fanning, Tracing etc. Not so much a feel of my Shoulders turning ......that gets me into my old , rock the two straight arms takeaway.......a geometric disaster, Angled Hinging, outside the plane, #2 Angle blocker, no Magic. NO RIGHT ARM BENDING! Now, I feel like my Right Arm pulls my string like Left Arm which tugs my left shoulder around........maybe its just a feel. I dunno. I really suffered with that Push the Triangle away with two stiff arms thing.
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Bending the Right Elbow was the second thing Yoda taught me, right after we got the Right Forearm on plane at Address. It was about lunch time on our first day and he said "You know , we could stop right now and you'd probably achieve your goals in golf with just these things". Brain Gay says much the same thing in his Premium Video on this site. Its a must see actually for anyone interested in TGM. Brilliant and affordable. An hour or so filled with insights of all kinds.
I was so distraught after shooting a 98 on Sat. and watching the Hawks inexplicably doing something right in the series that I decided to use my hips as my GSEB has instructed and forget my fear of losing balance
Swinging with horiz. hinge drives and angle hinge approaches, I took lots of money from my peeps at the course and herd "20 hcp. my ass" all day. I got so greedy with a little success that I started hunting pins. Vertical hinges cost me 4 strokes and really aggressive draws cost me 3 more. Greedy putts, longer than Lake Shore Drive, cost me the other 7 for 14 over.
PAR IS OUR FRIEND!
If the Wild, North Stars, Hawks and Leafs had coaches as effective as Kevin, Jerry, Daryl and OB, they'd be playing hockey right now and not hunting for a certified GSEB, GSEM, or GSED as they should be doing
Moi
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
Last edited by innercityteacher : 06-08-2010 at 11:50 PM.
AND I NOTICED SOMETHING ON MY LAST PUNCH SHOT AFTER 52 STROKES, UGH! I REMEMBERED THAT I HAVE BEEN HITTING FROM IMPACT FIX SINCE MARCH OF THIS YEAR and I simply forgot to park my wedges at my left foot! 5,6,4,6,4,5,4,5,5 = 43 on a par 36. 
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