Horizontal hinging is the natural full roll hinge action for a swinger. To let it happen, it requires a mandatory flat left wrist into and through impact all the way into follow through (both arms straight).
In the backswing, you will turn the left hand palm to the plane, and on the downswing you will feel a left hand karate chop motion back down the plane. You will feel your left wrist uncock at your release point (when the clubhead and butt of the club switch ends), and without any effort on your part, then next thing you will feel is the the sweet spot of the clubface and the right hand paddlewheel motion rolling your left hand into impact.
Clubs are designed to roll around the sweetspot. This is sensed through the #3 pressure point and the right hand is simply executing it's paddlewheel motion as the right arm straightens. Let me emphasize here, the right hand is passive. This is all just a consequence of the right arm straightening as the club nears impact. Let it continue it's roll into the finish swivel. If you have kept your left wrist flat through all of this, you will find your left hand palm facing up as the left arm collapses into the finish.
All of this requires that there is never any thrusting or pushing of the right arm, only right arm extensor action on the left arm. The wrists stay relatively loose. Otherwise you end up fighting an angled hinge and then you will have to force the roll. The role of the right wrist is to remain bent, level, and passive. The role of the #3 pressure point on your right index finger is to aim the sweet spot at the inside quadrant of ball and sense acceleration.
One more thing while I'm on the subject. The left hand is the clubface. Monitor it's position throughout the swing.
Hope that helps, if you are still having difficulty letting it go, let us know. I'll bring in the big guns...
Bagger
Bagger, thanks. I think you are a 'big gun." (I don't need a date for Friday night, don't worry, I just mean that I think you are good at this stuff!)
Thanks!
ICT
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Components which work best with a firm, flat wrist.
I was messing with my curtain rods the other day and I remembered Ben Hogan's rotation of the left forearm. At least that's how we interpreted part of the the book "Five Lessons."
We used to roll our left forearm tight as we swung locking our right arm down at our side. The position looked a lot like RFT. It also looked strangely like the Jim Hardy "One Plane" backswing. HMMMMMMMM....
I noticed in this position, with my left arm tight against my side and chest, that my Pivot was especially powerful. "But," I said to myself, "I never have my left arm tight against my left side and chest!" "Wait a minute. Isn't that PP # 2?" "Don't I have one of the slowest club heads in the world? HMMMMMMM" "Maybe if I use the # 2 PP, I can be more connected like those other golfers."
Maybe with a little more # 2 PP, I can swing more like Hogan? A little more like Duval? Moe Norman? Lynn Blake? I know I'll always swing like me, but a little more power and club head speed would be way cool!
One other thing, the left forearm rotation almost guarantees a sizable LAG AND WEDGES LEFT BEHIND FULL OF WEIGHT AND MOMENTUM. THE LAG on the # 3 PP is so clear, the sweet spot so distinct, that it feels like I can will that LAG through that ball at top speed, like the whole club head plane is greased for speed as it comes down.
We'll see!
ICT
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Components which work best with a firm, flat wrist.
I was messing with my curtain rods the other day and I remembered Ben Hogan's rotation of the left forearm. At least that's how we interpreted part of the the book "Five Lessons."
We used to roll our left forearm tight as we swung locking our right arm down at our side. The position looked a lot like RFT. It also looked strangely like the Jim Hardy "One Plane" backswing. HMMMMMMMM....
I noticed in this position, with my left arm tight against my side and chest, that my Pivot was especially powerful. "But," I said to myself, "I never have my left arm tight against my left side and chest!" "Wait a minute. Isn't that PP # 2?" "Don't I have one of the slowest club heads in the world? HMMMMMMM" "Maybe if I use the # 2 PP, I can be more connected like those other golfers."
Maybe with a little more # 2 PP, I can swing more like Hogan? A little more like Duval? Moe Norman? Lynn Blake? I know I'll always swing like me, but a little more power and club head speed would be way cool!
One other thing, the left forearm rotation almost guarantees a sizable LAG AND WEDGES LEFT BEHIND FULL OF WEIGHT AND MOMENTUM. THE LAG on the # 3 PP is so clear, the sweet spot so distinct, that it feels like I can will that LAG through that ball at top speed, like the whole club head plane is greased for speed as it comes down.
We'll see!
ICT
not long till you go to Georgia - you'll be smashing it out of the park when you get back
i'm working on getting that old pivot moving too - trying to get it to stay in front of the hands
Thanks ICT, I'm flattered.
I wrote those posts so long ago, iphones weren't invented yet. You've been doing some digging.
If you feel like you are "blocking" the ball around the course, maybe you just need a little "turn and roll", instead of "block and roll".
Am I correct in thinking that a club that is on Plane, moves more smoothly and feels quicker and better balanced?
I'd ask if I was crazy in thinking that, but OB and Daryl, and maybe others would not be able to resist beating me with such an effective stick!
ICT
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Last edited by innercityteacher : 02-03-2011 at 12:29 AM.
Not too chicken wing to try turning to rolling for better shots
Originally Posted by innercityteacher
Am I correct in thinking that a club that is on Plane, moves more smoothly and feels quicker and better balanced?
I'd ask if I was crazy in thinking that, but OB and Daryl, and maybe others would not be able to resist beating me with such an effective stick!
ICT
I play with differing swing thoughts from time to time as I'm sure many golfers do. In the past, pre LBG, my best Swings have come from trying Jim Hardy's description of a one plane swing. I'm not defending any of Mr. Hardy's definitions. I'm just wondering if some of the components of his Swing can help a novice serious golfer be more consistent and effective. Before LBG, I did not notice the left elbow pull as part of Mr. Hardy's description. Because of my research into the Finish Swivel, I realize my left elbow has to bend to Swing down and the left palm has to wind up facing Jesus at some point. We might say that the Finish Swivel is proof of the existence of God, as the left palm looks up in a good shot. ("Every good and perfect gift is from God.")
I've noticed that when I try the components of Mr. Hardy's Swing, I can feel my left elbow touching my left side and my forearm rolling with the left palm swiveling up in a very close mirror image of my RFT. I do not "lawnmower pull" since studying at LBG but use EA to RFT up. The thought occurred to me that I should feel such a Swivel regularly. Maybe, I chicken wing a lot, all the time since I am so concerned to keep my wedges intact that I hardly ever feel my forearms cross.
When I try my version of the Hardy Swing, I let the RFT turn me and the left elbow bend turn me back. The club winds up on my left hip as the turn stands me up straight. The Plane of the swing feels very flat so ball position is important.
When the other fine golfers G.O.L.F., what does the left or front elbow feel like as the club face overtakes the arms? Is there a feeling that the left elbow is stuck to the left side as the Finish Swivel, finishes? is that the same feeling that good golfers feel when they "twirl the baton" as Jeff and Lynn spoke about in their very good "Address" videos?
ICT
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Mr. Hardy is talking about the forward tilt of the SHOULDERS, AND THE ANGLE THEY TURN ON IN RELATION TO THE ARMS. One Plane-- Shoulders and Arms move on a similar angle(plane). Two Plane-- SHOULDERS TURN FLATTER, ARMS MOVE MORE VERTICALLY.
A person could be a Hardy One Planer, and still have a TGM definition Plane Shift.
A golf student, especially teachers, could get some beneficial ideas from Mr. Hardy's ideas. To many TGMers, who are trained to have a very precise idea of the PHYSICS, and GEOMETRY in a golf stroke... the Hardy book may seem to have several holes in it. However, his ideas, have become very popular in some areas, so TGMers should probably know something about them. One of his players, Tom Pernice, has been playing very well as of late, as well as Olin Brown.
Hardy One Planer in TGMese... Rotated Shoulder Turn, Delayed Hip Turn, Minimal Axis Tilt, Right Arm in Punch Impact.
A good TGM instructor could probably figure out nearly any golf stroke, including One Planers.
Ted, by the way, is a GOOD TGM INSTRUCTOR.
I get the Rotated Shoulder and Delayed Hip turn. I wonder what the pulling of the front arm up the front side is called in TGM terms and why does it feel so effective to me?
ICT
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And from another perspective, the plane that is quite helpful to visualize - the HANDS - the path the hands (the pressure points) travel during the motion.
THIS is why Furyk is at the top of the accuracy stats.
Watch the path of his HANDS
"my hands are never out of bounds" - Moe Norman
Only the HANDS can travel on 'one plane' back and through.
The problem is one of perspective, of how folks usually look at plane - as being tied to the shaft.
At address, imagine a line running straight down the undersides of the arms, to the ground.
Your hands, the 'tip of the triangle', can stay on "that" plane back and through.
Perspective is very often the root issue when people disagree about plane, or plane shifts. There is only one 'sum' plane of force, of motion, in an efficient swing, and that plane is most easily seen by looking to the hands.
Yet another reason the "mind is in the hands" - Ben Doyle
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When I use that more severe shoulder tilt with level wrists, I can see the Sweet spot of the Plane. When I RFT to Pivot and then pull my left elbow to Pivot I feel like there is no shift in my hands and I feel powerful and on Plane and I don't worry about my hip or leg shortage. It seems like a simple and effective Swing, now. I think LBG is helping me understand what the heck is good and "True North" or "Sweet" as in "Sweetspot!"
With April and Cuscowilla fast approaching, the reader might wonder why I'm sweating all these details. Let me answer like this. When you go to a job interview, you need a new job at some level. But you put your most confident persona forward so the company wants to hire you. I want to be a golfer worthy of the good insights of a very good golf teacher, Lynn Blake.
ICT
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Originally performed by Yoda posted by Yoda (with tech help from lots of fine people) simply explained by Yoda having been taught by Homer Kelly with great depth of understanding.
Top
Use the Right Forearm Takeaway to take the hand to a Top position (Right Shoulder High or beyond). Use only as much Pivot as required: Let your Hands control and imitate what you see! Your palm should be face up to the Plane. Keep that sleeve s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d. Let go of the tension -- relax the sleeve -- and notice how "flimsy" your Power Package just became!
Impact
Use your Pivot to deliver your Bent Right Arm deep into Release and Impact. Do NOT simply unbend your right arm from the Top. This is Throwaway!
Follow-Through
The Pivot has done its work. Now, stay Centered and now continue the Delivery with Independent Arm Motion until the Right Arm is completely straight. Remember to drive toward the Baseline of the Plane (and not toward the Target!). This momentum -- once spent -- will pull the Body into its compliant position at the Finish.
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