Thanks City. I appreciate the offer to include me as an adivsor to things pertaining to the institution of education, but space is limited as are my thought processes.
Yesterday's round was good except for getting caught in the "Brillo" rough way too often. It cost me 2!! strokes on the first hole and another three other places throughout the round. A smooth 80 showed a small profit from the fellows which I donated to our burgers and draught root beer following the round.
I am paying more attention to Aiming Point, Hands to Pivot and Bent Right Wrist. Pure gold.
Very nice, Jerry, and not surprising. I have four strategies for rough around the green within 150 yards, and I find myself inventing others as the summer goes on!
Two weeks ago, I hit 100 vertical hinges with all my wedges and 9iron. I got to the point of just opening the blade, regripping, and firing the prim. lever down plane. I have had good control with the 58 degree wedge laid flat from the front foot (at least I can get it to the putting surface with a small chance at a par putt).
Angled hinge at the middle of stance dragging the shoulder down, slowly, depending on the pin and distance. It checks but runs a bit.
For deep rough of any distance beyond five yards, ball is way back, way back, and clubface is a vertical hinge rotated 180 degrees. Shoulder up and shoulder down like Godzilla on Tokyo bounce it on the fringe and it runs. From a good lie, it flies straight and stops, quickly. I have to learn the distances for the various clubs.
I don't fully understand it yet, but I'm so defensive in the rough, and my puting with the elbow strike is so dependable, that I'm looking for any putting chance as an automatic two strokes. Within five yards in gnarly rough, I hit straight down with my putter! The ball pops and sort of keeps its line. LEAVE THE PIN IN!!!!!
I have started to investigate the scoring zone threads on the forum and will report.
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
That's a very sensible response, Daryl. Every response I've read of yours, on this forum, is sensible.
I had a very sensible lesson last Saturday from my GSEB, John Savage, of South Hampton, PA.
When John hits the ball, he swings and his ball starts low, sizzles and bristles with sound and power, seems to climb an invisible mountain very gradually, gets to a peak and then seems to drop almost straight down.
There is usually a group of us standing around hold our breath and say "wow!" I have to go shopping now and will finish this later, or my wife will be cross with me and hurt my feelings.
Ok, back, with basil, oregano (it's real, Jerry, not like the stuff you try to plant on golf courses) and African Violets (I never dated her, and I wasn't with Lawrence Taylor that night!).
Seriously, though, the question that I asked John was about my ball flight. Part of it is greed on my part. I am able, now, to live on or near the plane with my golf swing. That has helped my hcp. go from 21 to 17.6 on the index. (Yesterday, I used the uncocked left wrist and primary lever drive on every shot except the putt. I felt like I could shoot par or better on every hole. I had 12 birdie putts and missed all of them to shoot an 85.) I think that the "right" ball flight would give me the ability to stop the ball on the center of each green and increase my chances to go very low.
John is a generous teacher. I have had a terrible experience with Golftech, and John is the opposite. He answers every question, demonstrates his teaching, monitors my efforts with iron/wood/driver/wedge. He is superb. It takes me weeks to implement the changes he suggests.
His first point was my takeaway. When I turn my hips to initiate total motion, my RFW is too deep and needs to stay more in front. RFT however, is perfect at the top. John has explained the starting move before, as a slight horizontal move, a "downrange" move followed by the hips turning straight back.
To feel and do the move correctly, John had me practice the turning of my front obliques. It feels as if I am sliding a bit and then turning straight back. The shape of the ball flight looks different and the carry increases. The ball keeps rising, even with the driver, and lands softly.
Is that same flight possible with a hitting motion?
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Originally Posted by Jeff
When one talks of blasting the left arm off the chest with the downswing pivot action thereby releasing power accumulator #4, doesn't the left arm have to move both downwards (towards the left foot) and outwards (towards the ball-target line), and isn't the direction of left arm movement determined by the movement of the conjoined hand unit, which is itself directionally moved by the right forearm/PP#3 which traces the straight plane line and also moves towards the aiming point?
Jeff.
Jeff . . . I'd agree with you. The left arm is blasted kinda toward the left foot as well as out to the ball. Homer preferred a hand controlled pivot (procedure) for sure. BUT there's only so much the hands can do to overcome a faulty start down. If the pivot doesn't move precisely with the plane requirements, the hands get drug OVER or UNDER the plane and have to fight hard to recover . . . no matter how much "mind in the hands" or "monitoring #3" or "tracing" you do. You can only trace as good as your pivot allows you to trace.__________________
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Last edited by innercityteacher : 06-23-2010 at 08:25 PM.
That's a very sensible response, Daryl. Every response I've read of yours, on this forum, is sensible.
I had a very sensible lesson last Saturday from my GSEB, John Savage, of South Hampton, PA.
When John hits the ball, he swings and his ball starts low, sizzles and bristles with sound and power, seems to climb an invisible mountain very gradually, gets to a peak and then seems to drop almost straight down.
There is usually a group of us standing around hold our breath and say "wow!" I have to go shopping now and will finish this later, or my wife will be cross with me and hurt my feelings.
Ok, back, with basil, oregano (it's real, Jerry, not like the stuff you try to plant on golf courses) and African Violets (I never dated her, and I wasn't with Lawrence Taylor that night!).
Seriously, though, the question that I asked John was about my ball flight. Part of it is greed on my part. I am able, now, to live on or near the plane with my golf swing. That has helped my hcp. go from 21 to 17.6 on the index. (Yesterday, I used the uncocked left wrist and primary lever drive on every shot except the putt. I felt like I could shoot par or better on every hole. I had 12 birdie putts and missed all of them to shoot an 85.) I think that the "right" ball flight would give me the ability to stop the ball on the center of each green and increase my chances to go very low.
John is a generous teacher. I have had a terrible experience with Golftech, and John is the opposite. He answers every question, demonstrates his teaching, monitors my efforts with iron/wood/driver/wedge. He is superb. It takes me weeks to implement the changes he suggests.
His first point was my takeaway. When I turn my hips to initiate total motion, my RFW is too deep and needs to stay more in front. RFT however, is perfect at the top. John has explained the starting move before, as a slight horizontal move, a "downrange" move followed by the hips turning straight back.
To feel and do the move correctly, John had me practice the turning of my front obliques. It feels as if I am sliding a bit and then turning straight back. The shape of the ball flight looks different and the carry increases. The ball keeps rising, even with the driver, and lands softly.
Is that same flight possible with a hitting motion?
Patrick
Current GHIN Index
15.5
23 Rounds Posted
as of 6/23/2010
I rec'd this from GAP (Greater Area Philadelphia) .
My feeling is that this is due to plane awareness and elbow driven putting and the support of good golfers with a great teaching curriculum, and genuine enthusiasm for teaching, as well as a fine GSEB, taught by Ben Doyle, John Savage, 72 years young!
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U T Date Score CR/Slope Diff Course
* H 06/22/10 85 68.1/125 15.3 Limekiln Golf Course Red/White
* H 06/21/10 89 69.6/127 17.3 Limekiln Golf Course Blue/Red
H 06/19/10 95 69.5/128 22.5 Limekiln Golf Course Red/White
H 06/17/10 94 69.6/127 21.7 Limekiln Golf Course Blue/Red
* H 06/12/10 84 68.1/124 14.5 Limekiln Golf Course Blue/Red
* H 06/12/10 90 69.6/127 18.2 Limekiln Golf Course Blue/Red
* I 06/10/10 84 69.6/127 12.8 Limekiln-Blue/Red-Back
I 06/10/10 98 69.6/127 25.3 Limekiln-Blue/Red-Back
* H 06/07/10 84 69.6/127 12.8 Limekiln Golf Course Blue/Red
C 06/05/10 92 68.8/126 20.8 Limekiln Golf Course Red/White
H 06/05/10 98 70.3/129 24.3 Limekiln Golf Course White/Blu
* I 05/31/10 87 68.1/124 17.2 Limekiln-Blue/Red-Middle
* H 05/29/10 92 69.5/128 19.9 Limekiln Golf Course Red/White
H 05/08/10 94 69.5/128 21.6 Limekiln Golf Course Red/White
H 05/01/10 92 69.5/128 19.9 Limekiln Golf Course Red/White
* H 05/01/10 90 69.6/127 18.2 Limekiln Golf Course Blue/Red
H 04/24/10 94 70.3/129 20.8 Limekiln Golf Course White/Blu
H 04/17/10 97 68.1/125 26.1 Limekiln Golf Course Red/White
H 04/10/10 98 68.1/124 27.2 Limekiln Golf Course Blue/Red
* C 04/03/10 85 68.0/124 15.5 Limekiln Golf Course Blue/Red
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6/23/2010 15.5
6/9/2010 17.6
5/26/2010 18.1
5/12/2010 18.1
4/28/2010 17.9
4/14/2010 17.9
4/1/2010 18.5
March was very cold and wet with lots of 98's, a 105, and aerated greens. I did not feel like posting as it was too depressing and I didn't understand much of TGM. I started taking lessons on Easter Sunday, with John Savage.
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
Congratulations Cityteacher. That's a big drop in such a short time and equally impressive is your positive outlook.
Wait and see what happens when you learn which end of the club to use.
In 1991, I played in the annual Kiwanis vs. Civitan Charity Golf tournament is a small southern town. The previous year, I started golfing and had shot a 130 for my round. I was in the "H" flight fo "horrible and horrendous." So in 1991 , I was teeing off at 6am and really muffed my drive. My opponent said something like "Great! I have to play with this cripple all day?"
I knew very little about golf back then. But I had seen some good players swing and knew their tempo. I was so mad at the guy that I decided to imitate the good tempo I had watched. I shot a 79 and beat the "A" flight winner who had shot an 80. I had no idea what I did, but I kept repeating "1and 2," on every shot and got the ball near the hole!
Today, I shot an 82 on purpose!
I had started marrying Extensor Action and RFT this week. On my first 9 I had used a plant and shoulder drag move to reach 10 over. I couldn't stop hooking the drives but my EA was great. I was totally defensive which is not how I roll.
Second nine: I maintained extensor action and swung with a sternum turn back and through. Still hooked/drew everything and could not putt. I concluded my shorter front leg made my bracing action produce too steep of an impact angle.
Third nine: I'm a "creature of the plane!" If my extensor action gives me a solid plane, and I know that my driving ranges are tilting me slightly back, than logic will work. Instead of rolling the back shoulder down, or turning the sturnum back and through, why don't we shallow the angle of approach?
EA-RFT-LEFT SHOULDER UP!!!!!!! THE MOTION OF LEFT SHOULDER UP LAYS THE CLUB BACK ENOUGH TO ALLOW THE ANGLE HINGE TO PRODUCE A SOFT FADE. GOODBYE DEFENSE HELLO PIN-HUNTING!!!
I also finally realized why my angle hinge chips were such failures. Horiz hinge chips work, vertical hinges work better. so I started opening my stance, opening the angle hinge, and sliding the chip forward. Crisp and online as a result.
(I also realized that with Extensor Action and RFT, my left arm must be parallel to the baseline of the plane when the right shoulder is on plane.)
Third Nine: Shot six over. Realized that the answer was in my hands!!! Extensor action keeps the bent right hand bent! Yes, the hinge is in my front shoulder but it is also a function of EA. !
Fourth Nine: Maintaining Extensor Action while driving the Primary Lever with pp# 1 allows for maximum powerw/maximium Power Package stability given my forward tilt. On our Blue nine we have a 203 yard par 3 and a 220 yard par 3 from the championship tees. I have never hit the greens of both in one day until Saturday. For good measure, I also had GIR's or rolled off the back of greens in regulation on holes 2-4,6-8. I was even able to miss on purpose given tough pin placements. I finished with 4 putts for birdies and two makeable birdie chips. I missed all of them and finished five over for a 41. The computer GHIN score system in our clubhouse told me something new: "This score is unusually low for you. Are you sure you want to post this score?"
I ususally have a high front nine and low back nine. My second 18 featured a low front 9 for 41 and a lower back 9 for 40! "Plane Golf" is plainly amazing!
Thanks LBG, GSEB John Savage, and Homer Kelly!
Patrick
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Last edited by innercityteacher : 07-04-2010 at 10:02 PM.
Every response I've read of yours, on this forum, is sensible.
The shape of the ball flight looks different and the carry increases. The ball keeps rising, even with the driver, and lands softly. 
I couldn't stop hooking the drives but my EA was great. I was totally defensive which is not how I roll. 
If my extensor action gives me a solid plane, and I know that my driving ranges are tilting me slightly back, than logic will work.
THE MOTION OF LEFT SHOULDER UP LAYS THE CLUB BACK ENOUGH TO ALLOW THE ANGLE HINGE TO PRODUCE A SOFT FADE. GOODBYE DEFENSE HELLO PIN-HUNTING!!!
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