Ball position code red. Good looking motion but forced to stop and attempt to throw it in an effort to square face. Look how back on you a line up from the ball would be at the 0:01 frame. (If that's not correct, try the 0:02 frame as it is our last option) Move ball forward and that pivot will be a bit more centered where you can drive out that pressure you're wanting to feel instead of playing defense.
jlcowper These are some seriously good pros talking about your situation here.
Impact geometry but why? Hanging back , ball position ....maybe both? Maybe one is the root problem and the other is a compensation? Maybe not.
Maybe you hit so many shots in Basic and Acquired that it changed your ball position with the driver adversely? Moved it back? Maybe not.
Welcome to LBG hope you think this line of thinking is more revealing than some guy just saying you're doing this or that wrong ..... period. There's more to the story, often.
You gotta understand the impact geometry or you're doomed to suffer from its implications. If you tee the ball way way back of low point with a driver youre clubhead is traveling Forward, Down and Out to low point . Think about the OUT . With an iron , given the more upright plane angle and the loft etc it wont tend to hit a curve ball as much.......but with a driver, look out.
Welcome to LBG hope you think this line of thinking is more revealing than some guy just saying you're doing this or that wrong ..... period. There's more to the story, often.
You gotta understand the impact geometry or you're doomed to suffer from its implications. If you tee the ball way way back of low point with a driver youre clubhead is traveling Forward, Down and Out to low point . Think about the OUT . With an iron , given the more upright plane angle and the loft etc it wont tend to hit a curve ball as much.......but with a driver, look out.
Love it OB !!!
Kevin
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Ball position, axis tilt and regressive roundhousing
Originally Posted by KevCarter
Love it OB !!!
Kevin
Ha! My last two rounds have begun with being greedy for more distance and roundhousing all over the place.
Despite starting with 52 last week and 3 lost balls on the front 9 , I shot par on the last 5 holes and one birdie for a finishing 41 by keeping my balance and axis tilting. If the ball is too far forward I cannot maintain balance. As my axis tilt gets warmed up, I can slide the ball a little more forward for a very high fade with my driver.
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Thank you for all the feedback. Sorry it took so long to reply I was working on the honeydo lists and that got me off track. I really do believe “The Golf Machine” is the real deal and I have read many of you guys post and they are truly amazing (and sometimes 11 pieces of chicken to many for me to understand) but really good stuff. I must have 30 books on golf (including the golf machine) and some DVD’s. They all give good information, but nothing even close to Lynn’s DVD. The last two rounds I shot 75 (Darkhorse) and 76 (Ancil Hoffman) which are very hard courses in Sacramento. I hit driver about three times a round and usually two of them are terrible hooks. My 3wood goes about 260-275 and I can usually keep it in play. Irons usually put me on the green (Thanks to basic motion) and my putter is solid.
OB Left – Thank you for all your feedback. I have ready many of your post and they are a gold mine. “Forward, Down and Out to low point . Think about the OUT . With an iron , given the more upright plane angle and the loft etc it won’t tend to hit a curve ball as much.......but with a driver, look out.” This seems like why I am doing wrong (among many other things), but I am unsure of the thing to correct it. Impact Dynamic. With the irons I feel like I know where it is, even with the 3 wood, but Driver I have clue. I have the Nunchuk shaft which is supposed to be like a double or triple X. I bought it thinking it was going to stop that bending of the shaft at impact. About 2-3 years ago I use to play a pull /cut and I would just swing as hard as I wanted and it would go a long way, but there wasn’t any feel to it or consistency. (So changing it really screwed me)
JTillery – I agree with you my ball is back to far. I moved it back because if I move it more forward the hook gets worse. This is surely a bad compensation on my part, but I am not sure how to get out of it. Maybe clearing hips faster? Right now I feel like I am trying to get my shaft in front of the ball at impact and have some dragging of the mop. I 100% feel like I am playing defense with my driver. I feel like I have to steer the driver compared to my three wood which seems natural. Side note: I use to play basketball before the knees went out. The calfs have stuck around for some reason (probably to carry my gut around)
KevCarter – Axis tilt? Am I leaning to far back at impact and that is why I am hooking? Should I be putting the ball more forward as JTillery is telling me and clearing the hips more and not leaning back as much? (Thank you for the feedback)
I decided to add two more videos so you can see the down the line view. My own assessment:
• Address – I am not sure how to get the shaft on the same plane with my forearm like Brian Gay does. (I have that video as well) I think it is because I am to tall, and I would have to bend over, which would not be good. Thoughts?
• Back swing a little flat below elbow plane (Working on that)
• Wrist bow at the top. Having a hard time fixing it. When I look over my shoulder in practice swing it looks flat to me, but in the video it doesn’t look as good. I must be compensating during the real swing because something else is out of sorts. Do I just need to work more on flying wedges with the video camera running? What should I see change in my right or left wrist to get me going in the right direction.
• I have some forward tilt and draw back on the swing (working on that for a while)
• I come down on the shoulder plane and I sometimes wonder if that makes it harder with the driver?
Duck Hook:
Straight Shot:
Anyway.. thank you so much for looking at my swing and giving me some help. I feel like I am just starting on my journey to actually know what I am doing. I agree 100% with a comment on the board that I saw. A 5 handicap has no idea what he is really doing.
Ok dude....you are swinging perfectly to smack some quackers...
Not the circle on your hands at address....you make a pretty nice "on-plane" backstroke....if you like that hand path (which I don't)....but one of your issues is clubface...it's shut...note in the impact frame you are raising up the handle over your hand circle...that shifts the plane to the right...but your face is shut...so you probably are gonna hit pushes and snappers....
Note how you steepen the shaft as your start down with your hands coming over the shaft plane at address...then you are a good enough player that you know you gotta attack the inside of the ball...so the shaft starts to shallow/fall back later which shifts the plane right and your hands are out away from you more...some due to you being a goat humping handle raiser...your hands are working out to the ball rather than the clubhead...the clubhead is falling back and under....note how your right knee is shooting at the ball...you are screwing farm animals and moving your head back...raising the handle up....
So how to fix????
My suggestion would be....the following
1. Gotta Fix the face...but you got that face because of your release motion and pivot so you can hit it on the course (sometimes)
2. Your wedge alignments are jacked up ...you are arching your left wrist... you need to do a search on wedges out here...there's plenty of great info on how the wedges work...but that archy deall is shutting your face (but you are arching so you don't push the ball off the map)
3. I like the way you swing your hands over the original backstroke plane...that would generally be the natural order of things....BUT that over move doesn't work from where your hands are at the top....They need to be much much lower and DEEPER...if you get your hands below the line of your shoulders you can work your right shoulder over/out to the ball and not bring your hands out and over that circle....
4. Once you get the hand path better on the backstroke...you can then work the CLUBHEAD OUT TO THE BALL AND NOT THE HANDS...look at the picture on the down stroke were the club is parallel to the ground...imagine that the butt cap had a light shining out of it...that light should be starting to look back AT YOU there NOT LOOKING DOWN THE LINE AND THEN UP IN THE SKY...that's cuz you got the clubfalling behind and under to the ball rather than the handle end working toward you while the clubhead is working OUT TO THE BALL ON PLANE...
5. One thing that will help your goat humping handle raising is feeling like you got a flash light shoved up your butthole...the way your are pivoting now you start shining the light from your butthole to the ground...you need to be mooning or shining your butthole light back behind you as you GO FOWARD...
6. Get your head to stop loading right....feel like you are looking UNDERNEATH THE FRONT PART OF THE BALL on the backstroke not the back part...
keep it real and film it again....stop looking at big boobs on youtube and fix your game...you got a nice golf stroke!
-#5 is best practiced in the dark and you'll need a spotter....
To answer your question to me above. Forget about where the ball is vis a vis your left foot. Its the balls placement relative to your left shoulder that determines where it is vis a vis low point. For a driver it should be at or perhaps slightly in front of low point. In front of meaning that you'll be hitting Up , IN and Forward which assuming a square face will give you a slight fade unless you Rotate your Plane Line to the Right and Rotate the Grip so the face stays square. Position the ball at low point to start, under your left shoulder. Preview Impact in Fix while checking your grip to make sure youre not closing the face in the process. On video check to see if your left shoulder hits its impact fix position dynamically if it doesnt the geometry has changed.
hey guys....great stuff! Did anyone mention that this very athletic golfer is out of balance at address and continues to stay out of balance throughout the swing? I would make a suggestion that he consider the concept of the stationary post....and the components of the pivot. Shoulders, hips, knees, feet. I think if he were centered more at address, top and finish...the ball striking might improve.....Rick
hey guys....great stuff! Did anyone mention that this very athletic golfer is out of balance at address and continues to stay out of balance throughout the swing? I would make a suggestion that he consider the concept of the stationary post....and the components of the pivot. Shoulders, hips, knees, feet. I think if he were centered more at address, top and finish...the ball striking might improve.....Rick
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