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Old 05-10-2011, 04:18 PM
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The non TGM golfers set up a little different to the ball, not having the right forearm on plane. That means that they have to get into a different alignment at impact. Maybe this gives a squat - which is not needed especially by a TGM hitter who addresses the ball at impact fix?
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Old 05-11-2011, 10:56 AM
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good point, although I do see Stricker (based on Wayne DeFransesco's analysis) sit down and he does set up w/ his rt forearm on plane. Unsure about Brian G. He does make a move where he springs up with his legs through impact though. Ive heard this is a power creating move.
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Old 05-12-2011, 12:46 AM
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good point, although I do see Stricker (based on Wayne DeFransesco's analysis) sit down and he does set up w/ his rt forearm on plane. Unsure about Brian G. He does make a move where he springs up with his legs through impact though. Ive heard this is a power creating move.
The squat is a move that enables you to lead with the hips for a long time and clear them aggressively. More important for swingers than for hitters I think.

I've been working on it because I want to figure out what I can do to delay the release. I look pathetic at impact but I feel like I can really step on the gas through the ball. I have been at two different launch monitors lately and the smash factor was excellent. Which means that I got a lot out of the somewhat limited clubhead speed that I produced. But with this pattern I am forced to start the release earlier than I'd like to so I want to try to save accumulator #2 a bit longer and find out if it pays off.

It would be a gross overstatement to say that I've figured it all out yet, but it seems like the squat enables you to lead with the hip and clear them early - like Snead or Hogan did. But to benefit from it you need to delay the shoulder turn. In other words keep the "x-factor" for very late in the down stroke. Clear the hips as early as possible but turn the shoulders as late as possible, basically.

It seems to me like the combination of squat, early hips and late shoulders makes it a lot easier to delay the release of all accumulators, basically.

Brian G is a hitter, and as far as I can see from the four videos that google gave me he doesn't squat and he doesn't clear the hips very well. He basically has zero lag between his hips and shoulders at impact and his feet are very passive. It looks powerless compared to a Hogan or a Snead - or a Rory or a Dustin for that matter. But since we know that Brian is a hitter we can assume that there is more force behind impact than meets the eye. And his impact efficiency (smash factor etc) is actually pretty decent.

Brian's release starts early. He isn't even close to delaying his release with the best of them. I bet this costs him a few mph in clubhead speed. But probably not as much as one might think since he is a hitter.
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Old 05-12-2011, 08:25 AM
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The squat is a move that enables you to lead with the hips for a long time and clear them aggressively. More important for swingers than for hitters I think.

I've been working on it because I want to figure out what I can do to delay the release. I look pathetic at impact but I feel like I can really step on the gas through the ball. I have been at two different launch monitors lately and the smash factor was excellent. Which means that I got a lot out of the somewhat limited clubhead speed that I produced. But with this pattern I am forced to start the release earlier than I'd like to so I want to try to save accumulator #2 a bit longer and find out if it pays off.

It would be a gross overstatement to say that I've figured it all out yet, but it seems like the squat enables you to lead with the hip and clear them early - like Snead or Hogan did. But to benefit from it you need to delay the shoulder turn. In other words keep the "x-factor" for very late in the down stroke. Clear the hips as early as possible but turn the shoulders as late as possible, basically.

It seems to me like the combination of squat, early hips and late shoulders makes it a lot easier to delay the release of all accumulators, basically.

Brian G is a hitter, and as far as I can see from the four videos that google gave me he doesn't squat and he doesn't clear the hips very well. He basically has zero lag between his hips and shoulders at impact and his feet are very passive. It looks powerless compared to a Hogan or a Snead - or a Rory or a Dustin for that matter. But since we know that Brian is a hitter we can assume that there is more force behind impact than meets the eye. And his impact efficiency (smash factor etc) is actually pretty decent.

Brian's release starts early. He isn't even close to delaying his release with the best of them. I bet this costs him a few mph in clubhead speed. But probably not as much as one might think since he is a hitter.
Why would you want to "delay" accumulators? Is there a mechanical advantage to delaying? How do you do it? If one delays accumulators when does one begin to release them?
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Old 05-12-2011, 09:34 AM
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For the same reason as you would want a snap release.

If you've got the strength to back it up you can swing harder through the ball that way. Like switching to a higher gear I guess. Perhaps everybody can swing harder that way.
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For the same reason as you would want a snap release.

If you've got the strength to back it up you can swing harder through the ball that way. Like switching to a higher gear I guess. Perhaps everybody can swing harder that way.
Do you have to be strong to have a snap release?
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Do you have to be strong to have a snap release?
I don't know, Bucket. But perhaps you will benefit more from it if you're strong. The club gets a lot "heavier" when the pulley gets smaller. Maybe we should check whether Tiger used a snap release when he was 5?
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Old 05-12-2011, 07:43 PM
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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket View Post
Why would you want to "delay" accumulators? Is there a mechanical advantage to delaying? How do you do it? If one delays accumulators when does one begin to release them?


This is a facade, scam, imposter. I killed Bucket and have photos - this is probably his widow posting.

The disturbing problem - who else would know his Freudian issues - such as above - and would be able to post such an emotional post based on the concept of maximum delay? Could it be that he was brought back to life - the return? For now my life goal will be the same until I gather more evidence.
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Old 05-12-2011, 09:20 PM
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I think the "squat" provides necessary travel (lateral slide) for golfers who do not maintain the base of spine pointing at or near the golf ball at setup and/or during the back swing. If TGM places our right forearm on plane at address, doesn't this automatically preset spine angle ("reverse K") enabling us to set the base of spine very close to where it needs to be at impact (whether or not we choose to locate our golf ball where our base of spine finds itself is another question). If the axis of rotation remains fixed on the backswing, then downplane movement of the right shoulder on downswing should simply displace the base of spine closer to the target (increased spine tilt, and at or ahead of our golf ball (good bye fat shots). This limited lateral (and primarily rotational)movement probably does not look like a squat.
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Old 05-13-2011, 12:33 PM
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I think the "squat" provides necessary travel (lateral slide) for golfers who do not maintain the base of spine pointing at or near the golf ball at setup and/or during the back swing. If TGM places our right forearm on plane at address, doesn't this automatically preset spine angle ("reverse K") enabling us to set the base of spine very close to where it needs to be at impact (whether or not we choose to locate our golf ball where our base of spine finds itself is another question). If the axis of rotation remains fixed on the backswing, then downplane movement of the right shoulder on downswing should simply displace the base of spine closer to the target (increased spine tilt, and at or ahead of our golf ball (good bye fat shots). This limited lateral (and primarily rotational)movement probably does not look like a squat.
That is a valid and astute observation regarding the rt forearm being on plane. The little squat move I have incorporated is mainly just to add some torque from the ground for more compression, help me get to my left side, and to add some athleticism to my swing. Tracing plane lines is obviously critical, but in my search for percision I felt like my swing had become too static. So Im trying maintain the percision while also getting my lower body more into the act....
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