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Old 10-30-2006, 11:20 AM
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Sorry for the poor clarification, I will blame it on that english is my third language.

The point I want to make is that on page 29 under 2-H, regarding the Hinge Pin through the stationary head down to a point right between the feet, Mr Kelley suddenly In My Translation, makes the stationary head mandatory. Which could end the debate that our humble host has with the host of another TGM-site!

Or is my translation faulty?
I think you just hit the nail on the head...
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See 7-12 . . . I think that should clear up any interpretation issues. The title of the section is Swing Center TRIPOD. The head does't move, but what is UNDERNEATH it may. And in 1-L #1 it says STATIONARY Post (player's head). The post is IMAGINARY . . . It ain't the spine. It is a line drawn up between the feets and up through the mellon. Also see Axis Tilt in the Glossary . . .

Mechanical - To change directions, the helicopter pilot alters the plane of the rotating blades by tilting their axis in the new direction.

Well put!!!

Golf - To change the plane of the Shoulder Turn without moving the Head, the golfer must tilt the Shoulder Axis by moving the Hips.

It all depends on your focus of the "staionary center". I think you can have a stationary head and that becomes a "head centered" pivot .... Colin Montgomery comes to mind. But if the head is to stay centered and I agree with Mr. Blake "set it there and keep it there", the multiple centers and hip shift "tilts" the axis to allow for this (in a dynamic motion).

Flexibility and conditioning and "too flat" of a shoulder turn have adverse effects on keeping this head centered IMO.

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Connecting the 'Swing Center Tripod' Dots
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See 7-12 . . . I think that should clear up any interpretation issues. The title of the section is Swing Center TRIPOD. The head does't move, but what is UNDERNEATH it may. And in 1-L #1 it says STATIONARY Post (player's head). The post is IMAGINARY . . . It ain't the spine. It is a line drawn up between the feets and up through the mellon.
The term Swing Center Tripod is found only in the title of 7-12 (the Pivot Component) of the 7th edition. Unfortunately, there is no expanation or reference to this important concept in 7-12. Thus, there is an unfortunate 'disconnect' here, in that the explanation of the SCT can be found only in 2-H (also only in the 7th edition):
The important thing is that the true Swing Center for ALL COMPONENTS is around a Hinge Pin with one end at the top of the Stationary Head and the other in the ground, precisely between the Feet, with no regard for Body Location or Position at any time.
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Old 09-05-2009, 10:46 PM
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The term Swing Center Tripod is found only in the title of 7-12 (the Pivot Component) of the 7th edition. Unfortunately, there is no expanation or reference to this important concept in 7-12. Thus, there is an unfortunate 'disconnect' here, in that the explanation of the SCT can be found only in 2-H (also only in the 7th edition):
The important thing is that the true Swing Center for ALL COMPONENTS is around a Hinge Pin with one end at the top of the Stationary Head and the other in the ground, precisely between the Feet, with no regard for Body Location or Position at any time.
Would this hingepin not be bottomed out at or near low point rather than 'precisely between the feet'?

I have always viewed this swing center being slightly left of center...
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Would this hingepin not be bottomed out at or near low point rather than 'precisely between the feet'?

I have always viewed this swing center being slightly left of center...
In every Golf Stroke, there is a Pivot Center (even when the Pivot is zeroed) and an Arm Swing Center. Respectively, these are the Head (or, if preferred, the 'Point-between-the-Shoulders') and the Left Shoulder.

The Pivot Center lies between the feet. The Low Point (of the Arm Swing) lies opposite the Left Shoulder.

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Head in the vertical dimension
I'm a newb with a stationary head question. Snead is mentioned many times in the thread, one of his traits is the so-called "squat" on the downswing. The "squat" move is now highlighted in Tiger swing analyses.
I wonder how the so-called squat doesn't lower the head vertically?
I accept that a head bob or sway is counterproductive, and would like some informed opinion.
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Welcome groverw.

Great question too, Ill be interested in the answers you get. Lots of great players with squats. Although most didnt start from Impact Fix but rather some place a little higher up.

Id say that Tigers head was for sure dropping with that big squat. Especially with the driver. His radius, his left shoulder to ball distance was changing dynamically. Low point was lowering. But he doesnt establish his radius at Impact Fix.

Hogan got pretty close to Fix but had some squat. Lyn's got some squat.

Is a little squat a good thing? Can you squat and keep the radius properly measured?

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I'm a newb with a stationary head question. Snead is mentioned many times in the thread, one of his traits is the so-called "squat" on the downswing. The "squat" move is now highlighted in Tiger swing analyses.
I wonder how the so-called squat doesn't lower the head vertically?
I accept that a head bob or sway is counterproductive, and would like some informed opinion.
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1. That squat move shows up in most players who can really bust the ball . . . forces DOWN into the ground and then push UP off the ground . . . like grabbing a rebound . . .

2. That move also helps you get the club coming down the face of the plane delaying the hip rotation

3. Eldrick may accentuate this move due to his set up. He sets up with his neck and back all straight and probably does this move some so he can get the ball focused with his eyes when he makes his down stroke.
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