#11 02-25-2005, 11:05 AM jim_0068 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: the cold midwest Posts: 675 Charles Howell does it too....brian mentioned it is a plane shift from i believe the turned shoulder plane at the top to the elbow plane, this shift is the cause for such the big drop jim_0068 View Public Profile Send a private message to jim_0068 Find all posts by jim_0068