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Yoda 09-03-2011 02:50 PM

Yoda Explains The Secret of Golf
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzG7thLPnBU

drewitgolf 09-03-2011 03:50 PM

All Stressed Out
 
Lynn,

You keep posting videos like that and pretty soon my students won't need me anymore :laughing1 .

KevCarter 09-03-2011 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 86694)

...and that is the good stuff Sir. That "feel" works for me, improves my students, and nobody can tell me otherwise...

Hey, we've gone from "Book Literalists" to "Handle Draggers." I think thats an upgrade! :) :salut:

Thanks Yoda!

Kevin

Yoda 09-03-2011 06:25 PM

The DragMeister
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 86696)
Hey, we've gone from "Book Literalists" to "Handle Draggers." I think thats an upgrade! :) :salut:

Yoda in 'drag'. I like that.

I think.

:confused1

:laughing9

BCGolf 09-04-2011 09:40 AM

Well Done
 
Lynn,
Great video. You nailed this concept!

O.B.Left 09-04-2011 03:48 PM

Thanks for this Lynn.

This is a Swingers procedure Im thinking. Assuming Drag Loading and the "question mark" right index finger grip (you so aptly display) can you explain the Loading of the Rotated Lag Pressure Point vs the "first joint of the right hands index finger". Per 6-H-0 I believe.

Would I be correct in thinking the Drag Loader loads the Rotated Lag Pressure Point, the knuckle in transition , during Drag Loading, Longitudinal Acceleration and then the Index Finger Lag Pressure Point during Radial Acceleration? Whereas the Drive Loader just loads the Index Finger.

Seems to me that the shaft bends along a line in accordance with the Rotated or Non Rotated Lag Pressure Point. Along the top of the shaft during Drag Loading then along the aft of the shaft during Radial. Then a kick. But I must admit to having absolutely no data to support these postulations. Although I do remember an interesting link Hungry Bear put up from the old True Temper Shaft Lab and some data you guys brought back from your trip to Titleist in SoCal.

Great stuff.

ob

coophitter 09-06-2011 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 86694)

In this video you state that golfers should be "using core muscles" of their body to move the mop. Back in my university days (35 years ago), voluntary muscles were classified as either "postural" or "phasic". Postural muscles were also termed "anti-gravity muscles" in that they kept us upright or in specific postures while our phasic or "moving" muscles produced desired motions to do work. I believe that "core" muscles in current jargon refer to the old "postural" muscles. Maybe I'm wrong. However, if core muscles do refer to muscles that ideally are used for stability and balance, then we shouldn't favor them to play golf well. Humans should use their arms and/or legs to best move objects or themselves around in space. I think confusion arises when the mucles that move our pelvic and thoracic girdles are considered core muscles. I don't think they are. These girdles are part of the skeleton's appendicular system which can be defined as our limbs. From walking or sprinting to pitching, kicking, or punting, or from jumping or lifting to bowling, boxing,or golfing, the phasic muscles of our arms and legs do a much better job than postural muscles in creating the speed, strength, and accuracy to be really good at most sports. I hear Chamblee, Kostis, Doyle, and now you, et al, telling golfers to use their core muscles to hit the ball better.

Are core muscles our postural, antigravity muscles or are they our phasic muscles? If there were an age old question as to whether the torso should move the arms and legs around or whether the arms and legs should move the torso around, the arms and legs moving the torso would trump the day, every day, all day. But what do you call these arm and leg muscles?

Yoda 09-06-2011 06:43 PM

Name Game
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by coophitter (Post 86713)
In this video you state that golfers should be "using core muscles" of their body to move the mop. Back in my university days (35 years ago), voluntary muscles were classified as either "postural" or "phasic". Postural muscles were also termed "anti-gravity muscles" in that they kept us upright or in specific postures while our phasic or "moving" muscles produced desired motions to do work. I believe that "core" muscles in current jargon refer to the old "postural" muscles. Maybe I'm wrong. However, if core muscles do refer to muscles that ideally are used for stability and balance, then we shouldn't favor them to play golf well. Humans should use their arms and/or legs to best move objects or themselves around in space. I think confusion arises when the mucles that move our pelvic and thoracic girdles are considered core muscles. I don't think they are. These girdles are part of the skeleton's appendicular system which can be defined as our limbs. From walking or sprinting to pitching, kicking, or punting, or from jumping or lifting to bowling, boxing,or golfing, the phasic muscles of our arms and legs do a much better job than postural muscles in creating the speed, strength, and accuracy to be really good at most sports. I hear Chamblee, Kostis, Doyle, and now you, et al, telling golfers to use their core muscles to hit the ball better.

Are core muscles our postural, antigravity muscles or are they our phasic muscles? If there were an age old question as to whether the torso should move the arms and legs around or whether the arms and legs should move the torso around, the arms and legs moving the torso would trump the day, every day, all day. But what do you call these arm and leg muscles?

I sense that you've got it right, Coop. I'm not a biomechanist and, in using the term "core", I may have fallen victim to the popular vernacular and its application to the golf idiom.

As clarification, I was referring to those muscles that actuate the hips and enable them to pull the shoulders downplane. Whatever their name(s) or classification, these are the muscles responsible (in Pivot Strokes) for loading the Power Package and transporting it to Release.

I would like to become more knowledgeable in this area. Add one more item to the study list!

:salut:

whip 09-07-2011 08:26 PM

Lynn...

i think it was a very good point to make about the fact that although yes the shaft may be bending forward at the point of impact the idea is always to sustain the lag, this can be a tough concept to understand when watching the shaft on video, I have discussed this with my AI several times about the pre-stressed Club shaft and the phenomena of the shaf bending forward seemed to contradict, it is not so much phenomena I suppose and can be explained by physics and geometry as much as anything else

Handle draggers? I saw something in golf digest Jim McLean stuff about throwers and draggers thought it was funny how it categorized which players were throwers and which were draggers they had all completely different swings and I saw nothing that correlated them.

When I got into the golfing machine I knew it was something that was not accepted by mainstream golf and in fact the person who introduced me to it deemed it as too complex, this is what attracted me to it. It should come as no surprise to me the reaction to tgm from other golf forums, still it is somewhat frustrating for others to blatantly bash your teaching system and pigeon hole it

I have come along way from my posts on golfwrx about my own theories and seemsasifs about the golf swing w kevcarter and oldskooltexan before I came across tgm it was during that time that I discovered the book and haven't looked back since, while they keep searching I'll stick with the yellow book

KevCarter 09-07-2011 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whip (Post 86723)
Lynn...

i think it was a very good point to make about the fact that although yes the shaft may be bending forward at the point of impact the idea is always to sustain the lag, this can be a tough concept to understand when watching the shaft on video, I have discussed this with my AI several times about the pre-stressed Club shaft and the phenomena of the shaf bending forward seemed to contradict, it is not so much phenomena I suppose and can be explained by physics and geometry as much as anything else

Handle draggers? I saw something in golf digest Jim McLean stuff about throwers and draggers thought it was funny how it categorized which players were throwers and which were draggers they had all completely different swings and I saw nothing that correlated them.

When I got into the golfing machine I knew it was something that was not accepted by mainstream golf and in fact the person who introduced me to it deemed it as too complex, this is what attracted me to it. It should come as no surprise to me the reaction to tgm from other golf forums, still it is somewhat frustrating for others to blatantly bash your teaching system and pigeon hole it

I have come along way from my posts on golfwrx about my own theories and seemsasifs about the golf swing w kevcarter and oldskooltexan before I came across tgm it was during that time that I discovered the book and haven't looked back since, while they keep searching I'll stick with the yellow book

Whip,

Who were you on golfWRX?

Kevin

whip 09-07-2011 09:17 PM

I thought I was whip, I had a long post about my progress with a morad teacher, probably don't remember

KevCarter 09-07-2011 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by whip (Post 86725)
I thought I was whip, I had a long post about my progress with a morad teacher, probably don't remember

Sorry Whip. My memory is worse than I thought. :-)

Yoda 09-08-2011 08:43 PM

One-On-One With Yoda
 
As time, circumstance, and the 500-characters-limit permit, I am answering all comers in the video's Comments thread.

Click the lower right YouTube link here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzG7t...layer_embedded

And . . .

Bring it!

:3gears:

P.S. Alert all your Social Media friends. Same deal. Let's go viral!

:golfcart2:

KevCarter 09-09-2011 08:45 AM

Fun to see a couple of posts by our old friend @GolfLagTips. Really good man whose website was instrumental in getting me involved with TGM and LBG. I will never forget how much fun I had at his site, it made me so excited to learn! Thanks @GolfLagTips, hope you are doing great!

Kevin

KevCarter 09-09-2011 01:12 PM

What's Old Is New Again
 
Those who think they are teaching YODA something about how the shaft really works need to read this post. One of the originals from years ago:

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ght=shaft+flex

YODA has understood this phenomena for years. The secret is not the direction the shaft bends, but the relationship of the pivot leading the hands, and the hands leading the club head and the pressure applied through impact. That's right, I said it, Sustain The Line of Compression! :) :salut:

Kevin

HungryBear 09-17-2011 10:57 AM

Two simple tests.
 
Two simple test for thought on this thread:

1. Core Muscles. Stand on a turntable and swing a club. Can't move the arms/hands without a counter torque. Wonder why?

2. Swing a "rope shaft". Did U get forward bend of the rope at impact? NO, Would it be throwaway if the rope is thrown ahead of the hands? Why would a "stiffer" shaft be different? Should a "stiffer" shaft have OTHER swing physics? maybe not?


Thoughts of the bear

Yoda 09-22-2011 11:20 PM

Shaft Lean
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HungryBear (Post 86882)
Two simple test for thought on this thread:

1. Core Muscles. Stand on a turntable and swing a club. Can't move the arms/hands without a counter torque. Wonder why?

2. Swing a "rope shaft". Did U get forward bend of the rope at impact?

Thoughts of the bear

Thanks, Bear.

Re #1: Agreed . . . in both directions. Forward Shaft Lean in the Downstroke. Backward Shaft Lean in the Upstroke. (Incoming! :laughing9 )

Re #2: As the Clubhead orbits, the "rope shaft" (and its Centrifugal Pull) are always in a straight line (from Left Shoulder to Sweetspot). When the Ball is located opposite the Low Point of the Stroke (the Left Shoulder), this straight line is vertical.

When the Ball is located aft of the shoulder (Up-Plane), the straight line pull -- relative to the ball -- is inclined. In other words . . .

It "leans left". But . . .

It does not bend.

:)

kafka01 10-06-2011 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 86775)
Those who think they are teaching YODA something about how the shaft really works need to read this post. One of the originals from years ago:

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ght=shaft+flex

YODA has understood this phenomena for years. The secret is not the direction the shaft bends, but the relationship of the pivot leading the hands, and the hands leading the club head and the pressure applied through impact. That's right, I said it, Sustain The Line of Compression! :) :salut:

Kevin

Thanks for the link. I´ve played stiff (to xstiff) & heavy for quite some time and never had much of an issue with an hook. Changed to Regular this season (to try something out) and i literally hooked every shot from a PW to a 3w (driver is a different story) off the planet. I havent hit anything that resembled a fade in ages :(. But the above link explains a lot - and i have to get rid of these shafts - QUICK...

KevCarter 10-07-2011 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kafka01 (Post 87248)
Thanks for the link. I´ve played stiff (to xstiff) & heavy for quite some time and never had much of an issue with an hook. Changed to Regular this season (to try something out) and i literally hooked every shot from a PW to a 3w (driver is a different story) off the planet. I havent hit anything that resembled a fade in ages :(. But the above link explains a lot - and i have to get rid of these shafts - QUICK...

I hear ya brother. Getting older, bad back, bad shoulders, arthritic knees, fat, everything working against me. I've been trying lighter,softer shafts trying to find something to give me a little more zip.

On a whim, took a 6iron with X-100, just like I used to play when I was competative, striped it, and 10 yards longer than I could hit anything else. I'll bet my Titleist Rep laughs at me when I place my order for next years irons!

:golf:

Kevin

ndwolfe81 04-16-2012 09:02 PM

Lag?
 
Ok so to create an maintain shaft stress the body pulls the arms which pulls the hands. At any point does the body stop pulling the arms before impact?

Should a player ever think about pulling with the hands or should they just focus on the body making everything move?

Is the idea to use your body and let the arms follow for the whole swing?


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